Q: Sad story
X: we just have these "smart" pills
X: heh
X: RV

Q: how will kids get friends?
X: they make cyberfriends
X: over e-mail
Q: Yeah
X: and they can change what they look like
Q: Great
Q: laugh
Q: and alter their voice
X: yup
Q: until one day, accidently, they meet one another
X: anything
Q: kaboom
X: they never meet each other though
X: ;-)
X: they're locked in cubicles all their lives
Q: of course, the world will end int he year 2000 anyways
Q: Rightch
X: of course.
Q: World Controllers, much?
X: gak.
X: I liked that book.
Q: how would the race control reproduction?
Q: me too
X: Very relevant to today's situation
Q: yeah
Q: Most intelligently written ones are
Q: (aplicable to any setting)
X: It's all related to that big question -- "the meaning of life?"
X: nod
Q: that's how this whole time thing works
Q: just one big/small circle
Q: or not even a circle
Q: just a static point
X: hypersphere.
Q: sure.
Q: if you will
X: beyond our comprehension
X: Back to suicide.
Q: yeah
Q: we were talking about that on Saturday night for a couple
hours.
Q: The fact that everyone sees this situation they're in
Q: Trapped. Tools, you know the lines...
Q: Yet, nobody does anything about it
Q: they just submit
Q: but then, of course, what can you do about it?
Q: Vicious cycle.
X: so many ideas ... English isn't good enough to express them
all
X: but who cares to express them.
Q: Yeah
X: it doesn't matter
Q: Language
Q: Bah
X: very mind-consuming
X: yeah.
Q: We're all gonna be dirt in the ground.
X: telepathic transmission is the way
X: what's dirt?
X: nothing.
X: no one cares.
X: We all die ... who cares.
X: Maybe some other aliens who will die.
X: But is there anyone else?
Q: People care though, that's the strange thing.
X: It's all a dream.
Q: I'm for that
X: It's evolutionarily advantageous to care
X: That's simply why
Q: "And then . . . I woke up."
X: ;-)
Q: yeah
Q: otherwise no species would survive
X: of course
Q: but why intelligence as an evolutionary course?
Q: teach the gene pool a lesson?

X: intelligence allows you to survive
X: as does consciousness
X: which allows you to form societies
Q: only to a point
X: which allows you to protect each other
X: nature on Earth hasn't got to the 'point'
X: global destruction. pollution.
X: is the Earth a living being?
Q: more an entity
X: Some say it'll fix itself.
X: Less than a dream.
X: [Heh]
Q:
X: just sounded poetic
Q: Some say
X: ironic how we're debating this using electrons.
Q: heh
X: for all I know you could be someone I've never met
X: or a computer program
Q: That could be true.
X: same with me.
Q: Dr. Sbaitso.
Q: Hmm....
X: I'm DCX-VII. I'm a talk-bot. I report results of my
conversations to one by the name of Thomas Wong.
X: Half the people on the internet are programs.
X: Big federal experiment.
X: To boost interest in the internet.
X: 'Everyone else is on, so I should get on'
X: But no one was on to start.
X: Only androids.
Q: I am the hight version, DCX-X, I telepathically implant our
conversations in the mind of one, Alden Skidd.
Q: yeah
Q: sorta
X: Alden Skidd, of course, is also an android.
X: Who reports to the higher power, 'it'.
Q: Why are people sticking with the existing internet?
Q: I wish
Q: Why not just upgrade the network
X: Which stores the thoughts of all
Q: $?
X: sorta
X: and jurisdiction
Q: hah
X: MCI's upgrading to OC48
Q: juridiction
X: huh
X: weird
X: hold on
Q: what's oc48?
X: or some big OC number
Q: big jump from oc3 I presume
X: really big bandwidth
Q: heh
X: oh yeah
X: they were planning on making the MBONE

X: multimedia backbone
X: capable of supporting millions of live video feeds
X: oh well
Q: heh
X: National Science Federation used to control it all
Q: "they" were planning a lot.
X: now it's the telephone companies
Q: still are.
X: jurisdiction
X: funky word
Q: there are too many people in this world, that's all.
X: let's sink a continent.
Q: ok
X: asia
X: ;-)
X: no one's connected yet
X: no one will notice
Q: I nominate......
Q: antartica
Q: as a warning shot
X: heh
X: pick off a few researchers
X: just start another war, WWIII
X: that'll happen in 2000 anyway
Q: sure.
X: or just promote world suicide
X: Shofixti
Q: Yeah. You could probably sell mass suicide.
Q: With good marketing.
X: My conditioning in society is taking over my brain.
X: It's telling me to be afraid.
X: Of what we're talking about.
Q: it's gets worse as you get older
Q: laugh
X: The police is there to enforce ... ___?

Q: Afraid?
Q: Fear is relative.
X: rules ... to keep
Q: order?
X: order, eh?
X: I like anarchy.
X: But for that I will be locked up
Q: Interesting concept. Human nature rules it impossible though
X: Human nature can be changed
X: Human nature is simply genes
Q: Not overnight
X: We can change genes.
Q: heh
X: We can do it in one generation
Q: that'd be great
Q: close pandora's box?
X: Would it?
X: Or open it further
Q: Now there's a concept.
X: Is there an omnipotent being?
X: Watching over us...
X: Judging us...
X: There's no evidence of it.
X: But why must there be evidence?
X: 'Science'?
X: As we see it in modern world?
X: We scorn the alchemists
X: Maybe in 2300 we will scorn the 'scientific method'
Q: Science is merely our new found religion
Q: they're all the same
Q: philosophy.
Q: mythology
X: or is it the same?
Q: history
Q: religion
X: Logic?
Q: yeah
X: a = b, b = c, therefore a = c?
X: does it? Who says?
X: Why is 1 + 1 = 2?
Q: Why do we accept these things so wholeheartedly?
X: because there's no reason not to
Q: shrug
X: it's evolutionarily advantageous to do that
Q: There's change coming
X: but theory of evolution?
X: Darwin?
X: Modern science?
Q: thinkers will emerge.
X: 2000 is just a year.
Q: will be proven wrong, of course.
X: Not significant by the Chinese calendar
Q: eventually.
X: or the Egyptian
X: or Myan
X: Mayan
Q: or the lunar.
X: even
X: Or anything else
X: if anything, we should make predictions based on solar
eclipses
X: or universal occurrences
Q: yeah
X: those crazy physics
Q: Not a purely earthly notion
X: but who's to say they're crazy
X: the width of a hydrogen atom
Q: what about it?
Q: measure it?
Q: what significance does that have.
X: universal standard measurement
X: none
X: none at all
Q: Perhaps
X: just an idea
Q: Pages of a book, 1 atom thick each
X: an idea is a bunch of seemingly random neural impulses
Q: are new ideas really new?

Q: or just revised/stolen?
X: what's the difference between E=MC^2 and 'my dog is nice.'
X: what are ideas?
Q: whose to say one's thoughts are one's own?
X: Who can define it.
Q: Nobody
Q: Obviously.
X: And who's to say that one's thoughts are not one's own.
X: And who is one?
X: What is consciousness?
X: How can we define it?
X: Philosophers have tried and failed.
X: 'the 3 rules of life'
X: 'the 4 rules of life'
X: always exceptions.
X: a virus?
Q: heh
X: I say it's life.
Q: A virsu is life?
Q: life is a virus?
X: that little piece of muscle that wiggles after you cut it away
from the frog
Q: an infectant.
X: life is not a defined thing.
X: just an idea.
X: a piece of plastic
Q: what is defined, then?
X: a rock.
Q: what is absolute?
X: not even the word 'defined'
Q: temporary.
X: not even the word 'absolute' or 'temporary'
X: Time is relative
X: Time is a mental construct
X: an idea
Q: of course time is relative
X: which doesn't exist
Q: I think time is false.
X: our understanding of time has been proven wrong time and
time again.
X: [forgive the pun]
Q: it limits us.
X: no it doesn't
Q: time?
X: you might as well say that the ground limits us
X: everything 'limits' us
X: yet limiting is also simply a mental construct
Q: Time moreso than others.
X: why are we limited just because a few atoms in our body
can't move past something else?
X: time is a mental construct ... you can't weigh it against other
forces
X: in 300 years, our concept of time will be completely
changed.
X: quantum mechanics, for instance
Q: of course
X: completely re-defines H.G. Wells' stuff.
Q: space-time
X: But why is that new?
X: The physicists.
Q: yes.
X: Einstein was wrong
X: Authoratative knowledge.
Q: Theories are made to be disproved.
Q: Hence the notion of a theory.
X: Why should you trust Empirical knowledge more than
Authoritative
Q: Same with treaties...
X: treaties, eh?
X: not too significant.
Q: they're made to be broken
X: neither are theories
Q: sure they are.
X: why should you persue another's theories or treatises
X: or treaties
X: why not yourself?
X: are you made of more than two people?
Q: why should you do anything that is not in your own
self-interest?
X: schizophrenics?
X: (sp)
X: why should you help others?
X: why does it feel 'better'?
X: Evolutionary, of course.
Q: Is there a single person in this world who you wouldn't sell out
to gain content?
X: Our society scorns the greedy.
X: Is contentment your goal?
Q: We're all greedy, though
Q: Who knows what my goal is, if I don't?
X: Some people would be more 'content' not selling out
someone
X: -> He might know
X: But He doesn't exist
X: So He's just a he.
Q: That's the scary part.
X: The word 'he' is not significant either.
X: Just english.
X: Evolved from Latin, etc.
X: Ugh.
X: Bow Wow.
Q: English.
X: bah
Q: Noises.
X: French.
X: Bah
X: Sounds?
X: Vision?
Q: Relative?
X: These senses are just humanic
Q: to what?
X: Who says that there are only '5' senses
Q: thought is a sense?
X: What about a bat's sonar?
X: A blind man's hearing.
X: A deaf person's sight.
X: Alien X's super-sensory 3rd eye
X: is thought a sense?
X: though can replicate senses
X: thought can create senses
Q: thought can replicate itself.
X: are dreams real?
Q: have you heard of memes?
X: who's to say that they aren't
X: nope
Q: is reality a dream, then?
X: what is a dream?
X: repeat as above.
X: "life troubleshooter"
Q: 101
X: we should make a program.
X: Binary.
Q: why is everything classified?
Q: why do we fear the unkown?
X: It's just the way the universe is.
Q: silly stuff.
X: It's evolutionarily advantageous
X: according to someone who's long dead
X: I happen to believe him.
X: But that's just me.
Q: Isn't everything we come to accept as fact/theory evolutionary
adventageous?
X: why do you believe in evolution?
Q: I never said I did.
Q: Why do you believe in evolution?
Q: It's the trend of the times
X: just because it makes 'sense' to one of my thoughts.
Q: It's the "Accepted" notion
X: some brain pattern.
X: why should I trust that I have a gooey brown thing that
controls my 'thoughts'?
X: That's just what people tell me.
Q: not when looked at in context with the other "things" that made
"sense" to people of long ago
Q: whose to say you are more right than an ancient greek listening
to a dialoge of plato?
X: why are people of long ago inferior?
Q: or a roman catholic monk?
X: how do you know that Plato existed?
X: Why couldn't Thug, the cro-magnon be more intelligent?
Q: How do you know you exist?
X: I don't.
Q: Who is to say he isn't?
X: existence is a mental construct again
Q: intelligence, again, though.
Q: how do we measure it?
X: does anyone have to think?
Q: does anyone have a choice?
X: I simply believe that I'm a bunch of pieces that happen to
move and create electrical impulses because the universe favours it.
X: "You have a choice in your thought." As someone said.
X: But it's not true.
Q: Choice?
X: "An idea is something you have;
an ideology is something that has you."

--Morris Berman

X: I don't agree.
Q: You don't necessarily "have" anything
X: what is possesion?
X: possession, even.
Q: exactly
Q: do you own yourself?
Q: something controls you
X: a social construct
Q: (in the end)
X: of Capitalism
Q: And it isn't you.
X: does anything control me?
X: I suppose something does.
X: Who is "me"?
X: Am I a definable thing
X: to say that something is controlling me?
X: Can something control a part of me?
X: One of my many thoughs?
Q: Can someone control a part of you?
X: thoughts, even
X: maybe
X: but who is that other person?
X: equal to you?
X: I don't control anyone else
Q: Possibly
X: I can pretend to.
Q: Not that you are aware of.
Q: Not that they are aware of.
Q: In the end, you probably do, though.
X: who is 'you'?
Q: By some unsuspecting action you may take
X: That's undefined.
X: The basis for this whole argument is undefined.
X: Unproven.
X: It's all meaningless
Q: nothing is proven
Q: Not really.
Q: If it were meaningless, why would "we" be here?
Q: To prove a point?
Q: To settle a bet?
Q: Somewhere?
X: just because the 'universe' thought it was favourable
X: no bets
X: no omnipotent beings
X: no one playing around up there
X: or down there
X: or across that plane over there
X: not spacially
X: not existing
Q: or outside the large ring
X: that's just my own opinion
Q: Only in our thoughts.
Q: Somehow, that someone got created along the lines, by
someone.
X: according to quantum mechanics, I'm currently thinking in the
history, present, and future about everything possible
X: Infinity.
X:
Who invented memes? Oxford zoologist Richard Dawkins is credited with
first publication of the concept of meme, in his 1976 book The Selfish
Gene.

Q: history, present, future, all mental contructs.
X: Ooh.
Q: All in time.
X: "invented"? Please.
Q: Invent a concept?
X: what's a mental construct? I say a mental construct is a
construct of the universe.
Q: invent an idea?
Q: so you think there is no free will?
X: the words 'invent' and 'idea' are still undefined.
X: what does my though count?
X: Why am I thinking
Q: Nothing better to do, I suppose.
X: Are there many parts thinking and contributing to a collective
action?
X: Who told me that I'd rather sit here than play something
"funner"?
Q: How significant or insignificant am I, or can I be?
X: you are not significant to anyone else, yet completely
significant to yourself.
X: assuming that our universe as we know it is real (big
assumption, taking even that the "assumption" is a mental construct)
Q: I question myself though.
X: ... What can we deduce about people's contemplations of
life?
Q: How can I fairly say I am significant?
X: Do people commit suicide when they figure out the real
meaning of life?
X: Maybe that's what they do right after they figure it out.
Q: I doubt that.
Q: In rare cases.
X: Hence it's evolutionarily disadvantageous to think about that.
X: how do you know they are rare cases?
Q: Most of the time, that haven't even contemplated stuff like that.
X: how can you trust the facts you're given by the government?
Q: Assumptions
X: assumptions are fales
Q: false, even
X: I made up a word. Fales are false ideas.
Q: sounds like "fail"
Q: that works.
X: quite.
X: irony that only applies to English
Q: you should write it down.
X: how do I coin a word?
Q: You need to be famous.
X: Can I register at the international English Coinage
Foundation?
Q: Or ignificant.
X: Or is that simply for monetary gains? Why is coin the same
word?
Q: significant, even.
X: What is famous?
Q: Some connotation to money.
X: That other "entities" are aware of your existence?
Q: That they readily acknowledge that existence?
X: who is they?
X: Why do you care if they exist?
X: Do they exert a mental influence on you?
X: Do you get 'depressed'? What is depression?
X: Why are people depressed or not depressed?
X: Many people are in worse situations than you, yet are not
depressed.
Q: Outside influences
Q: They stop thinking about themselves.
X: How do you separate outside from inside?
X: Many depressed people are only depressed because they
think internally too much about the outside
Q: You create mental constructs
X: and can't accept it
Q: Labels
X: models
X: ideas
Q: memes
X: I don't believe in memes.
X: Too far down the physical construct scale.
X: Too many unconsidered factors that could render these
memes completely false
X: and illogical to think about
X: if logic is anything
X: Is logic a universal basic construct?
Q: logic is another model
X: models are based on logic
Q: not all of them
X: everything is based on something else
Q: then what is the root?
X: Even Euclid had to assume something.
X: Exactly the point.
X: There is no root.
Q: or is it a circle?
X: Except a fundamental truth.
X: "Things happen."
Q: the first point could come back to the last
Q: Hmm
X: or, a more colourful Earth variant.
Q: Indeed.
X: why circles?
X: They're not special.
Q: Sure they are.
Q: They're perfect.
X: no, they're only two-dimensional.
X: Why not spheres?
X: Or hyperspheres.
Q: Ok, spheres.
X: Or points.
X: Planes?
Q: Why not super-spheres?
X: 9th dimensional spheres
X: Ones that span not only space, but time and anti-loops.
X: Klein bottles.
X: Pi?
X: What's the significance?
X: Is Pi the same beyond Cygnus X-1?
X: Maybe it becomes 2.065
Q: Things happen.
X: What have you been doing while we've been talking?
X: I haven't gotten anything done.
X: I've used an hour of my time.
Q: Me either.
X: 1/24th of a day
X: of course, a day is also a mental construct
Q: Yes.
X: to describe something called 'time' which is also simply a
mental construct
Q: But, how do you feel now that that hour is gone?
X: I could do stuff the society deems more productive.
Q: Is it wasted?
X: In my most idealist sense, no it wasn't wasted.
X: Because nothing matters.
X: But taking social conditioning ... yes, it was wasted.
Q: Nothing matters is idealist?
X: I could have made some money. And used it to buy stuff.
X: Stuff to make me happier.
Q: And by buying stuff, yes, exactly
X: Idealism.
Q: And so would have society.
Q: Everybody would win.
Q: Or so you are meant to think
X: But everyone doesn't win
Q: NObody wins
X: who are the winners?
Q: ever.
X: There's no game defined with any 'rules', so there's no
winner.
X: Of course, they could be right.
X: There is a God.
X: Which would change everything.
Q: one God?
Q: Or many?
Q: If God can create anything, is it possible for him to create a
task in which he cannot ever succeed?
Q: Or can never, if you will.
X: yeah, yeah ... the paradox of omnipotence. but why should
we mortals be able to comprehend omnipotence?
Q: Who's to say we're "mere mortals"?
X: in this assumption
Q: assumption upon assumption upon assumption
Q: ridiculous
Q: we build up these barriers...
X: who's to say what an assumption is
Q: then we smash them down and build them up again
X: or do we smash them down
Q: we simply build overtop of them?
Q: who is an iconoclast?
X: I'm listening to a Teddy Bear Picnic Midi right now. Thank
you.
X: it's playing this goofy music
Q: Heh.